that’s it that’s the whole argument.
That’s literally the best way i’ve ever seen to describe it.
if you don’t want children you might want to fucking think about it before you get shagged, not after
Newsflash: Lots of people have a sex life and contraceptives can fail. And that doesn’t just go for stupid teenagers who are shagging in the back seat of a car and think that taking the pill right before is going to work. Not that that’s an excuse to not allow teenagers an abortion, but that’s the usual argument right? Stupid
sluts kids need to learn from their mistake and be punished because they didn’t stay abstinent?
But adult women in steady relationships have sex, too. About once or twice a week, and usually without a condom if they are in a monogamous relationship. Are you suggesting that they stay abstinent until they hit menopause rather than risk an unwanted pregnancy if their pill fails? Statistically, 1 in 3 women is going to have an abortion in her lifetime, and 30-40% of pregnancies that do end in childbirth were unplanned. That brings us to 30-70% of women (30% assuming perfect overlap of women who aborted and women who had an unplanned child; 70% no overlap) who were faced with that decision when they got pregnant, even though most of them did use protection.
Conclusion: Stop demonizing unplanned pregnancy. It’s really common and can happen to anyone with a functioning uterus, and it’s up to them, and only them, to decide how to deal with it.
Okay, regarding the question in the first paragraph: yes. I’ve got nothing more to say about that.
Most women in steady relationships want to have children sooner or later. There are about three or four days in the month when a woman can get pregnant. Moreover, it’s quite easy to tell when it’s happening, so if they can’t trust the contraceptives (which, by the way, very rarely fail if used properly), then they should back off for a week. Being adult means being able to deal with the consequences of your actions. Everyone knows that sex can result with children.
Conclusion: I’m not demonizing unplanned pregnancy. I’m just saying that the argument used by the lady in the gifs is very immature at best. Of couse it’s up to women to deal with sex and everything that comes with it, which is why I’ve got nothing against contraceptives. But abortion is not a contraceptive. It’s unhealthy, can be dangerous and can make a women infertile. And, unfortunately, legalization of abortion can lead to very dangerous thinking in the lines of “oh, you don’t have a condom? who cares, I’ll get an abortion!”. Plus, some women feel extremely bad after having an abortion. So I think it’s just not worth it overall.
Your second paragraph kinda contradicts your first.
Being adult means being able to deal with the consequences of your actions. Everyone knows that sex can result with children.
So, then, teenagers who were ignorant and thought they were safe shouldn’t be expected to deal with the “consequences”?
To be clear, I’m not talking about individuals here. I’m talking about demographics. Teenagers have sex. They’ve been having sex for millenia, and society has yet to find a way to stop them. And, unless we invent a fool-proof contraceptive that gets implanted at birth and can get easily switched on and off at will, some of these teenagers are going to get pregnant. Same goes for the adults. No matter how well educated they are about sex and what precautions they take, some women will get pregnant without planning to. The "40% of pregnancies that lead to birth are unplanned" bit should tell you something. As should the 1 in 3 women have had abortions bit. Cause that’s reality. We can decrease those numbers, but it won’t change the fact that women who don’t want children (whether at all or at that point in their live or because of medical issues) are going to have sex and that some of them are going to get pregnant from it. So yeah, anyone can avoid pregnancy (excepting, as always, rape victims, domestic abuse victims, illegal sex workers etc) but not everyone can
It’s unhealthy, can be dangerous and can make a women infertile.
Same goes for birth, except far more so. And no one, ever, thinks of abortion as an alternative to condoms. Couples have been chancing it whether or not abortion was available, legal or safe. Not that that ever stopped women from getting an abortion or trying to self-abort. Except with it being legal they can go to an actual clinic and don’t accidentally nick their own colon with a knitting needle and die of sepsis, cause that would really make them feel extremely bad. Most women feel relief after having an abortion, except those who needed one for medical reasons and really wanted the baby. And that is sad, but an abortion now can mean a healthier pregnancy later on.
And even if abortion carried a 99% risk of death (it doesn’t, risk of death is 0.6 in 100,000 procedures as long as it’s done legally and safely by a doctor and not in some back-alley) and a remaining 1% risk of making all her limbs fall off, it’s still a pregnant person’s decision whether to get one or not. You don’t have to think it’s worth it.
You are demonizing unplanned pregnancy. You are literally saying: “You should have planned for this. Now deal with it.” And they are dealing with it, just not in a way that you approve of. You make it sound as if unplanned pregnancy was some kind of moral failing that one needs to atone for, when 40% of children are conceived that way and even pro-lifers will obtain abortions with the reasoning of "The Only Moral Abortion is My Abortion"
You make it sound like this couldn’t possibly happen as long as one follows all the Rules and that people who got pregnant anyway aren’t “proper, responsible adults” and you are clearly more mature than them and would never let yourself get shagged without thinking it through beforehand.
And that attitude of WHY CAN’T YOU BE AS REASONABLE AS ME? is extremely immature
No, it kinda doesn’t. Learn to read.
Of course some women feel relief. But some women - quite a lot of them, in fact - feel guilty, sometimes for the rest of their lives. I don’t have to think it’s worth it, but I can and I have a right to express it - a right you’re clearly trying to deny me. I know a girl who thought like that, I know there are more. Such reasoning is usually applied to morning-after pills, why not to abortion.
I never said I consider myself more mature. How do you know I’m not a teen mom? For the record, I’m not, but the way of thinking you present only proves itself even more shallow. But yes, I can’t imagine myself having sex without thinking it through. Why? Because I don’t want unplanned kids.
All I did was to say I don’t condone the advertisement of abortion presented in the gifs. I wasn’t even responding to anyone. But you started this argument out of the blue, just because - gasp! - my opinion dares to differ from yours. You don’t even have enough decency to confront me in private. Who is immature now?